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Depths of Alpkatchen by Jakeukalane

One of the key features of Milegu, apart from its continuous self-contradiction (is-doesn't-exist) and self-containment (Inside of One) —that is, the survival of completely contradictory realities in the same space and time, the ability for each object or set of objects is within himself ...— it is the concept of "there is always more" (Alpkatchen).

This concept is not a "fundamental" concept, because it can be easily deduced from other assumptions in Milegu, as is-doesn't-exist or the Inside of One or any other fundamental brick of Milegu (such as A-/E+=α paradoxes). However, is of great importance.

When a basic description of an object (whatever) is done, it can always be done more complex: it can describe more parts of the object or appreciate the smallest details. Decidedly, that description has to have an end, it can not reach levels of infinite complexity. This is in 0-Milegu. But not so in the ∞p-Milegu or many parts that have many paradoxes in the 0-Milegu itself.

In those places, an object can always be described more complex than a previous description.

An example: a place belonging to 0-Milegu (ie, that means that reality is not much altered by paradoxes). This place, however, is affected by the Alpkatchen ("there is always more"). In that place or world lives a specie limited by physical laws that are present there and can not describe everyday objects with infinite complexity, as is obvious, even with a high complexity, it is finite and quite simple, because it has to adapt the rudiments of the language to handle these things.

We travel in time 1,000 years. The species has suffered many setbacks, but has also made technical and technological progress. Now they can describe objects with great precision and complexity, however there comes a point where they can not keep watching and describing the world and its objects more accurately.

This researcher species could confuse the infinite complexity inherent in limiting reality and saying instead that it is impossible to know in detail (ie, a misrepresentation of the nature of things is infinitely complex). Although overcome this obstacle and knowledge and would follow progress descriptions come a time when its language their knowledge and observations reach the next level of complexity that has any object in the Milegu.

The Alpkatchen (applied to the levels of complexity) is the summary of this concept: any object, being, thing of Milegu has infinite levels of complexity (affected by the paradoxes, obviously).
Understanding the Alpkatchen of complexity, it can be understanded how the 0-Milegu may appear to be a peaceful place and (almost) free of extreme paradoxes. It is through Alpkatchen where 0-Milegu and ∞p-Milegu contact.
According to the definition of a Duusilt Dussian expert in Alpkatchen said 1:

"iç êlju-Wökäxi il iç xiriç lihum yewnniçu uee 'ygycela-ñewuie’er-Wökäxi".
"The 0-Milegu is the least complex level of ∞p-Milegu".

Or, expressing it in reverse:
"iç 'ygycela-ñewuie’er-Wökäxi il iç xiriç lok yewnniçu ñumÂskä"
"The ∞p-Milegu is the most complex possible level."
The limit of complexity describable by a sentient being is reached at some point (always in the 0-Milegu since the ∞p-Milegu there are species "infinitely complex" in his perception of the world).
Beyond that point, the extreme complexity of reality makes it not perceivable by any being, even if its technology is incredible 2. Therefore remain incredible amounts of data and complexity hidden in non-consciousness (behind the Façade of Reality).
The complexity of any point of 0-Milegu on very large scales (that is, far on the scale of complexity) is such that all Milegu can be found at a single point.
Again we find the Inside of One and also Windows of Content, linking the 0-Milegu with ∞p-Milegu.

This "unobservable" complexity can take forms and evolve. It is the very fabric of reality and unreality and concepts that are Alpkatchen in particular, that is, "beyond" any understanding.

This means that new types of parallel "reality", "space" or "time", which need not be a combination of the above definition appear.

Therefore describing Alpkatchen of very high complex levelvs of 0-Milegu is impossible in a linear language constrained by limited realities that do not take parallel concepts of reality, space or time.

It almost could be said that the complexity of Alpkatchen is a inversed Ꭶingularity. That is —if in the Ꭶingularities there are no paradoxes— the inverse Ꭶingularities are those places where can be infinite ∞-paradoxes.
The Alpkatchen is not, therefore, a "place" itself, so isn't in the microscopic.

Nor is it a concept associated exclusively with the complexity, it encompasses many other topic. For example, in the Milegu there are fundamental "values ​​of existence" that enable the is-doesn't-exist: a thing that exists and does not exist simultaneously. Then it is said to have several simultaneous existence values. Following the concept of Alpkatchen, that object has not only two values ​​of existence but infinite more and (following a paradox A-/E+=α) have the value one, the value two, the two at a time, none of the above, a mixed state of all previous etc. etc. Not only that, since it would "existence values" of different types.

So, Alpkatchen can be applied basically to the complex levels of a particular point of the space or to an object, but actually it covers many more things (the kinds of Planar Spaces also follow the Alpkatchen concept, the number of Chaos Gods or First Ones, the visible colours, the philosophies achievables in Milegu, the kind of worlds, the kind of the realities, the physical laws, the geometry laws: all in the Milegu follow the concept of the Alpkatchen).

In Alpkatchen of complexity , that is, in the most complex of the complex, may emerge, Planar Spaces, time types, types new and strange realities.
Along with the Alpkatchen of complexity would be such exotic places as the Abstract Plane, the Metaphysical Universe, Absurd Worlds, spatial abstractions, Exotic interplanar spaces ... etc

This world beyond perceptions of species from 0-Milegu is extremely complex and as such can not and shouldn't receive a specific name, due to the presence of many entities (different types of existence, reality, time, space, as we have said before). Group all under a new common name that would describe them all (eg. Complex Planar Spaces) would be absurd. It is for this reason that it is called to this very heterogeneous exotic realities as "Deep Alpkatchen", that is, in his own name it shows that it is not a closed categorization or label it as a special type of Planar Space or Interplanar Space 3.

*1: Curiously, the dialect used by him is the common dussi or classic dussi used very rarely by Duusilt Dussians. To understand the strangeness of the fact it is as if a citizen of New York spoke protosumerian.
*2: A description of Alpkatchen this is the opposite of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. In the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle has not been the problem in the instruments. In our reality, outside Milegu fiction, it would not necessarily be twisted nature of things, since they are not infinitely complex.
*3: The whole paragraph might seem contradictory. But it is not if, instead of thinking about the "Deep Alpkatchen" as a concept, we may think what it really means "there is always more deep" or "there is always something deeper".

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Avengium Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2017  Hobbyist Writer
Buah. Me sigue encantando. A ver cuando continuo haciendo más conceptos. "Ya falta menos". ;)
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Jakeukalane Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
muchas gracias
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GBLXVIII Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2015
Very complex. If I understand well, is this at the base of your explanation about time travels? I'm intrigued but some notions are out of my encrusted brain..:D (Big Grin) :D (Big Grin) :D (Big Grin) 
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Jakeukalane Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
nope, this is the base for Milegu, my metauniverse. But the real core of my metauniverse is il principio di esplosione :)

Of course, as base of Milegu, can be the base of everything in Milegu, also time travels :D
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GBLXVIII Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2015
See? I understood very little. Now I'll read your link, hoping not to lose my mind. I'm not a phisycian :D (Big Grin) :D (Big Grin) :D (Big Grin) :D (Big Grin) :D (Big Grin) 
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Jakeukalane Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, Alpkatchen [there is always more] is not something done to be understood :D
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GBLXVIII Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2015
:D (Big Grin) :D (Big Grin) :D (Big Grin) Most encouraging! :D (Big Grin) :D (Big Grin) Even so, I'll try to figure out something!!
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Jakeukalane Featured By Owner Edited Nov 29, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Also, this article assumes that you know what is 1. Milegu (my metauniverse that contains everything, possible and impossible at same time), 2. Interior of One [something that is not composed is in fact composed] 3. self-contaiment (something containing itself, like a kleinian bottle) 4. is-doesn't-exist 5. 0-Milegu (a part of Milegu where the paradoxes are not very abundant) 6. ∞p-Milegu (the "normal milegu" 7. ∞p (infinite paradoxes, infinite contradiction)

and there are mentions to some other complex concepts: Singularities,  A-/E+=α paradoxes, Façade of Reality (we have talked about that) Also mentions some characters, First Ones, Gods of Chaos, that I didn't ever mention here in dA...

I wonder how can be understood without all of that ^^'
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GBLXVIII Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2015
I'll read. When I read one of your posts, I also follow the links about "related works". Yes, it takes its time (your storytelling is very extensive and detailed) but when I'm in the right mood to read, I read, hoping to figure a way. :D (Big Grin) :D (Big Grin) 
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Sabine62 Featured By Owner Edited Nov 29, 2015
Ah, Alberto, here goes:

Milegu are... datasets! Those which are 'endless' and the other kind. I don't know the english words...

Self-containment as I understand is the paradox of the man with the hammer to open the box that is locked in the box that is to be opened. Has to do with chaos theory, multiverse, snare-theory and dimensions that are carrot-shaped, that kind of stuff,you know :rofl:

Singularity is from kosmology which has a limitless small volume with limitless big density (at least that's how I learned).

is-doesn't-exist I think of schrödingers kat: the state can only be clarified by looking, but looking may change the state...

First Ones I simplisticly labelled as the old folks who were at the beginning of (described) time

Gods of Chaos... they are all around us I think :D

Your A-/E+=alfa... I have really no idea ;)

And I am sooo glad it was not meant to be understood, because my brain was overheating reading it:}
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Jakeukalane Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Mostly correct :D

You mean arrays?
Didn't know about that paradox yay :la: thank you! :)

Yep, exactly all of that crazy stuff by exponientially driven by more crazyness. Is like crazycrazycrazycrazycrazycrazy :D


Singularity in Milegu (you are right, that I shortened the name without having to) is a different of normal singularity. I borrowed the concept from Larry Niven when he wrote that Sun was a singularity that avoid travel-faster-than-light (so, out of the "singularity" that sun represents the travel-fater-than-light is able to be. Singularities in physics are points when the physical laws can't be applied (precisely what you said). Singularities in Milegu (at least when we talk about paradoxes) are those points that don't have any paradox at all. :)

A-/E+=alfa is just a way to describe a recursivity of a paradox in non-logical terms, all invented of course. It could be shortened as A=¬A or A≠A.

As is a fantasy setting, there are mythological figures, kind of Olympic Gods. Those would be the First Ones, that are paradoxes itself. They have also levels of existence. Is a bit complicated.

God of Chaos are Gods in a limited meaning, that comes from the Figure most perfect of All. But these characters (First Ones and Gods of Chaos) are part of the setting, so it is not logic involved, all fantasy :D

is-doesn't-exist: Is like that :D but not like in our universe where we have decoherence (the state oof the quantic object filters to the rest continuously). In is-doesn't-exist in Milegu is fixed, so it can be the same thing at once but also in macroscopic reality. Most of those paradoxes are not present in the 0-Milegu (the Milegu that can be described by the way, because ∞p-Milegu have so many paradoxes that nothing can be said that is true).

I updated my previous comment with more info ;)

I think I should do a journal about all of this before doing this text-deviations...


(Avengium what do you think?)


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fractal2cry Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2015
:wow: so much information!
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Jakeukalane Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:)
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Sabine62 Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2015
A complex story about complexities:)
I did not have to think of this level of abstraction for many many years and I must admit, all is a bit rusty;) But I think I get the essence, or at least, some of it. The idea alone of trying to describe what cannot even be perceived or theorised in any way is so exciting!
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Jakeukalane Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you Sabine.

What do you mean with rusty? The concept istself or the translation?
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Sabine62 Featured By Owner Edited Nov 25, 2015
My brain is rusty (not used for complex stuff like this often any more ;) )!!! Not your concept or translation :D
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Jakeukalane Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ah, "great" :D But if you get a bit of it, then is the work done, those concepts are not done to be fully understood ;)
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Sabine62 Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2015
:phew: :D I'm relieved now! :hug:
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Jakeukalane Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Also, see this please: comments.deviantart.com/1/5725…
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marijeberting Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2015
Beautiful
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Jakeukalane Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks! This deviation is about the text, however, the image can be seen in its own deviation, clicking at the top ;)
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